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May 16, 2013

Full list of 0.8.6 tech changes

Source: http://panzer-journal.ru/news/polnyj-spisok-izmenenij-texniki-v-patche-0-8-6.html



Values: First value is always the 0.8.6 one, the one in brackets is the one from 0.8.5, eg. if it says: Weight 6 850 ( 5 565 ), it means the weight was increased from 5565 to 6850 in 0.8.6.

I also took the liberty of taking out the SPG stats from the list, as those were published earlier on this blog:

Soviet arty
French arty
US arty
GER arty

Also, if you run into a Russian letter or two or a typo - there might be some, because the whole list was way too long to translate manually. Also, the price might be a bit confusing, because I had to remove the icons for gold/silver, but I am sure you'll figure it out.

USSR

  • Soviet tank destroyer АТ-1
    • Turret АТ-1
      • Gun 76 mm L-10S
        • Shells BP-354
          • Penetration 75/75 ( 100/100 )
        • Shells UOF-354K
          • Price 38 ( 19 )
  • Soviet tank destroyer SU-76
    • Hull
      • Weight 6 850 ( 5 565 )
    • Suspension SU-76
      • Load capacity 11 000 ( 10 800 )
      • Turn rate 32 ( 38 )
    • Suspension SU-76М
      • Load capacity 13 300 ( 13 500 )
      • Turn rate 34 ( 42 )
    • Engine GAZ-11 (added)
  • Soviet tank destroyer SU-85B
    • Hull
      • Weight 6 850 ( 6 870 )
    • Suspension SU-85А
      • Load capacity 12 100 ( 12 400 )
    • Suspension SU-85B
      • Load capacity 14 500 ( 15 000 )
    • Engine GAZ-203F (added)
    • Engine М-80 (removed)
  • Soviet tank destroyer SU-85
    • Turret SU-85
      • Gun 122 mm М-30С
        • Shells BP-450С
          • Penetration 140/140 ( 160/160 )
  • Soviet tank destroyer SU-152
    • Turret SU-152
      • Gun 152 mm ML-20 obr. 1931/37 yr.
        • Shells 53-BP-540
          • Price 15 ( 12 )
          • Penetration 250/250 ( 228/228 )
  • Soviet tank destroyer ISU-152
    • Turret ISU-152
      • Gun 152 mm ML-20S
        • Shells 53-BP-540
          • Price 15 ( 12 )
          • Penetration 250/250 ( 228/228 )
  • Soviet tank destroyer SU-101
    • Turret Turret_1_SU-101
      • Gun 100 mm D-54S
        • Shells 3UBK4
          • Penetration 330/330 ( 350/350 )
  • Soviet tank destroyer Object 704
    • Turret Object 704
      • Gun 152 mm ML-20SM obr. 1944 yr.
        • Shells 53-BP-540
          • Price 15 ( 12 )
          • Penetration 250/250 ( 228/228 )
  • Soviet tank destroyer SU-122-54
    • Turret SU-122/54
      • Gun 100 mm D-54S
        • Shells 3UBK4
          • Penetration 330/330 ( 350/350 )
      • Gun 122 mm М62-S2
        • Shells BR-471D
          • Penetration 258/250 ( 268/260 )
        • Shells BK-9
          • Penetration 340/340 ( 400/400 )
  • Soviet heavy tank KV-1
    • Turret KV-1
      • Gun 122 mm U-11
        • Price 59 920 ( 45 920 )
        • Shells BP-450С
          • Penetration 140/140 ( 160/160 )
    • Turret KV-1 ChTZ obr. 1942 yr.
      • Gun 122 mm U-11
        • Price 59 920 ( 45 920 )
        • Shells BP-450С
          • Penetration 140/140 ( 160/160 )
      • Gun 85 mm F-30
        • Price 41 000 ( 48 000 )
  • Soviet heavy tank KV-1S
    • Turret KV-1S obr. 1942 yr.
      • Gun 76 mm S-54
        • Price 41 480 ( 40 130 )
      • Gun 122 mm U-11
        • Price 59 920 ( 45 920 )
        • Shells BP-450С
          • Penetration 140/140 ( 160/160 )
    • Turret KV-85
      • Gun 76 mm S-54
        • Price 41 480 ( 40 130 )
      • Gun 122 mm U-11
        • Price 59 920 ( 45 920 )
        • Shells BP-450С
          • Penetration 140/140 ( 160/160 )
  • Soviet heavy tank KV-2
    • Turret МТ-1
      • Gun 122 mm U-11
        • Price 59 920 ( 45 920 )
        • Shells BP-450S
          • Penetration 140/140 ( 160/160 )
      • Gun 152 mm М-10
        • Shells _152mm_MPB_1915 (added)
        • Shells 53-BP-540 (removed)
    • Turret МТ-2
      • Gun 122 mm U-11
        • Price 59 920 ( 45 920 )
        • Shells BP-450С
          • Penetration 140/140 ( 160/160 )
      • Gun 152 mm М-10
        • Shells _152mm_MPB_1915 (added)
        • Shells 53-BP-540 (removed)
  • Soviet heavy tank Т-150
    • Turret Т-150-KV
      • Gun 122 mm U-11
        • Price 59 920 ( 45 920 )
        • Shells BP-450С
          • Penetration 140/140 ( 160/160 )
      • Gun 85 mm S-31
        • Price 42 200 ( 49 200 )
    • Turret Т-150-220
      • Gun 122 mm U-11
        • Price 59 920 ( 45 920 )
        • Shells BP-450С
          • Penetration 140/140 ( 160/160 )
      • Gun 85 mm S-31
        • Price 42 200 ( 49 200 )
  • Soviet heavy tank KV-3
    • Turret Object 220
      • Gun 85 mm F-30
        • Price 41 000 ( 48 000 )
      • Gun 85 mm S-31
        • Price 42 200 ( 49 200 )
    • Turret KV-3
      • Gun 85 mm F-30
        • Price 41 000 ( 48 000 )
      • Gun 85 mm S-31
        • Price 42 200 ( 49 200 )
    • Engine V-2SN
      • Price 17 000 ( 49 500 )
  • Soviet heavy tank IS-3
    • Hull
      • Visual change
    • Turret IS-3
      • Visual change
  • Soviet heavy tank KV-5
    • Hull
      • Hitpoints 1 424 ( 1 394 )
    • Turret KV-5
      • Hitpoints 356 ( 386 )
  • Soviet heavy tank IS-8
    • Turret Т-10
      • Gun 122 mm M62-T2
        • Shells BR-471D
          • Penetration 258/250 ( 268/260 )
        • Shells BK-9
          • Penetration 340/340 ( 400/400 )
    • Turret Т-10М
      • Gun 122 mm M62-T2
        • Shells BR-471D
          • Penetration 258/250 ( 268/260 )
        • Shells BK-9
          • Penetration 340/340 ( 400/400 )
  • Soviet heavy tank SТ-I
    • Turret SТ-I
      • Gun 122 mm M62-T2
        • Shells BR-471D
          • Penetration 258/250 ( 268/260 )
        • Shells BK-9
          • Penetration 340/340 ( 400/400 )
  • Soviet heavy tank IS-4
    • Turret IS-4М
      • Gun 122 mm M62-T2
        • Shells BR-471D
          • Penetration 258/250 ( 268/260 )
        • Shells BK-9
          • Penetration 340/340 ( 400/400 )
  • Soviet heavy tank IS-7
    • Turret IS-7
      • Gun 130 mm S-70
        • Shells UBR-482
          • Penetration 250/240 ( 260/250 )
  • Soviet light tank BT-2
    • Turret BT-5
      • Gun 37 mm ZIS-19
        • Price 2 560 ( 4 250 )
  • Soviet light tank Т-26
    • Turret Т-26 obr. 1936–1937 yr.
      • Gun 37 mm ZIS-19
        • Price 2 560 ( 4 250 )
    • Turret Т-26 obr. 1938 yr.
      • Gun 37 mm ZIS-19
        • Price 2 560 ( 4 250 )
  • Soviet light tank Т-60
    • Hull
      • Visual change
    • Turret Т-60
      • Gun 37 mm ZIS-19
        • Price 2 560 ( 4 250 )
  • Soviet light tank BT-7
    • Turret BT-7 obr. 1937 yr.
      • Gun 37 mm ZIS-19
        • Price 2 560 ( 4 250 )
  • Soviet light tank Т-46
    • Turret Т-46
      • Gun 37 mm ZIS-19
        • Price 2 560 ( 4 250 )
    • Turret Т-46-1
      • Gun 37 mm ZIS-19
        • Price 2 560 ( 4 250 )
      • Gun 76 mm L-10
        • Shells BP-354
          • Penetration 75/75 ( 100/100 )
        • Shells UOF-354K
          • Price 38 ( 19 )
  • Soviet light tank Т-70
    • Crew
    • Hull
      • Armor model
    • Turret Т-70
      • Visual change
      • Gun 37 mm ZIS-19
        • Price 2 560 ( 4 250 )
    • Turret Т-70М
      • Gun 37 mm ZIS-19
        • Price 2 560 ( 4 250 )
  • Soviet light tank А-20
    • Turret А-20 obr. 1938 yr.
      • Gun 37 mm ZIS-19
        • Price 2 560 ( 4 250 )
    • Turret Object 013
      • Gun 37 mm ZIS-19
        • Price 2 560 ( 4 250 )
      • Gun 76 mm L-11
        • Shells BP-354
          • Penetration 75/75 ( 100/100 )
  • Soviet light tank Т-80
    • Crew
    • Hull
      • Armor model
    • Suspension Т-80
      • Visual change
      • Armor model
    • Suspension Т-80 buffed
      • Visual change
      • Armor model
    • Turret Т-80
      • Armor model
  • Soviet light tank Т-50-2
    • Turret Т-50-2М
      • Gun 76 mm L-11
        • Shells BP-354
          • Penetration 75/75 ( 100/100 )
      • Gun 57 mm ZIS-4
        • Price 40 130 ( 41 480 )
  • Soviet medium tank Т-28
    • Turret Т-28 cyllindric
      • Gun 76 mm KТ-28
        • Shells BP-354
          • Penetration 75/75 ( 100/100 )
        • Shells UOF-354K
          • Price 38 ( 19 )
      • Gun 76 mm L-10
        • Shells BP-354
          • Penetration 75/75 ( 100/100 )
        • Shells UOF-354K
          • Price 38 ( 19 )
      • Gun 76 mm F-32
        • Shells BP-354
          • Penetration 75/75 ( 100/100 )
      • Gun 57 mm ZIS-4
        • Price 40 130 ( 41 480 )
    • Turret Т-28 conical
      • Gun 76 mm KТ-28
        • Shells BP-354
          • Penetration 75/75 ( 100/100 )
        • Shells UOF-354K
          • Price 38 ( 19 )
      • Gun 76 mm L-10
        • Shells BP-354
          • Penetration 75/75 ( 100/100 )
        • Shells UOF-354K
          • Price 38 ( 19 )
      • Gun 76 mm F-32
        • Shells BP-354
          • Penetration 75/75 ( 100/100 )
      • Gun 57 mm ZIS-4
        • Price 40 130 ( 41 480 )
  • Soviet medium tank А-32
    • Turret А-32
      • Gun 76 mm L-10U
        • Shells BP-354
          • Penetration 75/75 ( 100/100 )
        • Shells UOF-354K
          • Price 38 ( 19 )
  • Soviet medium tank Т-34
    • Turret Т-34 obr. 1940 yr.
      • Gun 76 mm L-11
        • Shells BP-354
          • Penetration 75/75 ( 100/100 )
      • Gun 57 mm ZIS-4
        • Price 40 130 ( 41 480 )
    • Turret Т-34 obr. 1942 yr.
      • Gun 76 mm L-11
        • Shells BP-354
          • Penetration 75/75 ( 100/100 )
      • Gun 57 mm ZIS-4
        • Price 40 130 ( 41 480 )
      • Gun 76 mm S-54
        • Price 41 480 ( 40 130 )
  • Soviet medium tank Т-34-85
    • Turret Т-34-85
      • Gun 76 mm S-54
        • Price 41 480 ( 40 130 )
      • Gun 122 mm U-11
        • Price 59 920 ( 45 920 )
        • Shells BP-450С
          • Penetration 140/140 ( 160/160 )
    • Turret Т-34-85 extended
      • Gun 76 mm S-54
        • Price 41 480 ( 40 130 )
      • Gun 122 mm U-11
        • Price 59 920 ( 45 920 )
        • Shells BP-450С
          • Penetration 140/140 ( 160/160 )
  • Soviet medium tank KV-13
    • Turret KV-13 obr. 1942 yr.
      • Gun 76 mm S-54
        • Price 41 480 ( 40 130 )
    • Turret KV-13 obr. 1943 yr.
      • Gun 76 mm S-54
        • Price 41 480 ( 40 130 )
      • Gun 122 mm U-11
        • Price 59 920 ( 45 920 )
        • Shells BP-450С
          • Penetration 140/140 ( 160/160 )
  • Soviet medium tank Т-43
    • Turret Т-43 obr. 1942 yr.
      • Gun 122 mm U-11
        • Price 59 920 ( 45 920 )
        • Shells BP-450S
          • Penetration 140/140 ( 160/160 )
    • Turret Т-43 obr. 1943 yr.
      • Gun 122 mm U-11
        • Price 59 920 ( 45 920 )
        • Shells BP-450С
          • Penetration 140/140 ( 160/160 )
  • Soviet medium tank Т-54
    • Turret Т-54 obr. 1949 yr.
      • Gun 100 mm D-54
        • Shells 3UBK4
          • Penetration 330/330 ( 350/350 )
      • Gun 100 mm D-10Т2С
        • Shells 3UBK4
          • Penetration 330/330 ( 350/350 )
  • Soviet medium tank Т-62А
    • Turret Т-62А
      • Gun 100 mm У-8ТС
        • Shells 3UBK4М
          • Penetration 330/330 ( 350/350 )
  • Soviet medium tank Object 907
    • Matchmaking weight 100 ( 120 )
    • Turret Object 907
      • Gun 100 mm D-54TS
        • Shells 3UBK4
          • Penetration 330/330 ( 350/350 )

Germany
  • German tank destroyer Hetzer
    • Turret Hetzer
      • Gun 10,5 cm StuH 42 L/28
        • Shells Pzgr 39 K
          • Price 120 ( 60 )
        • Shells Gr 39 H1A
          • Price 10 ( 7 )
          • Penetration 104/104 ( 150/150 )
        • Shells Sprgr K
          • Price 128 ( 64 )
  • German tank destroyer StuG III
    • Turret StuG III
      • Gun 10,5 cm StuH 42 L/28
        • Shells Pzgr 39 K
          • Price 120 ( 60 )
        • Shells Gr 39 H1A
          • Price 10 ( 7 )
          • Penetration 104/104 ( 150/150 )
        • Shells Sprgr K
          • Price 128 ( 64 )
      • Gun 7,5 cm StuK 42 L/70
        • Shells Pzgr 40 L
          • Price 7 ( 5 )
  • German tank destroyer JagdPz IV
    • Turret JagdPz IV
      • Gun 7,5 cm StuK 42 L/70
        • Shells Pzgr 40 L
          • Price 7 ( 5 )
      • Gun 10,5 cm StuH 42 L/28
        • Shells Pzgr 39 K
          • Price 120 ( 60 )
        • Shells Gr 39 H1A
          • Price 10 ( 7 )
          • Penetration 104/104 ( 150/150 )
        • Shells Sprgr K
          • Price 128 ( 64 )
  • German tank destroyer Jagdpanther
    • Turret Jagdpanther
      • Gun 7,5 cm StuK 42 L/70
        • Shells Pzgr 40 L
          • Price 7 ( 5 )
  • German heavy tank Pz.Kpfw. VI Tiger
    • Turret PzKpfw-VI-Tiger-I-Turm Ausf.H2
      • Gun 7,5 cm KwK 42 L/70
        • Shells Pzgr 40 L
          • Price 7 ( 5 )
      • Gun 10,5 cm KwK 42 L/28
        • Shells Pzgr 39 K
          • Price 120 ( 60 )
        • Shells Gr 39 H1A
          • Price 10 ( 7 )
          • Penetration 104/104 ( 150/150 )
        • Shells Sprgr K
          • Price 128 ( 64 )
    • Turret PzKpfw-VI-Tiger-I-Porscheturm
      • Gun 7,5 cm KwK 42 L/70
        • Shells Pzgr 40 L
          • Price 7 ( 5 )
      • Gun 10,5 cm KwK 42 L/28
        • Shells Pzgr 39 K
          • Price 120 ( 60 )
        • Shells Gr 39 H1A
          • Price 10 ( 7 )
          • Penetration 104/104 ( 150/150 )
        • Shells Sprgr K
          • Price 128 ( 64 )
  • German heavy tank Pz.Kpfw. VI Tiger (P)
    • Turret Tiger-(P)-Turm Ausf. A
      • Gun 7,5 cm KwK 42 L/70
        • Shells Pzgr 40 L
          • Price 7 ( 5 )
      • Gun 10,5 cm KwK 42 L/28
        • Shells Pzgr 39 K
          • Price 120 ( 60 )
        • Shells Gr 39 H1A
          • Price 10 ( 7 )
          • Penetration 104/104 ( 150/150 )
        • Shells Sprgr K
          • Price 128 ( 64 )
    • Turret Tiger-(P)-Turm Ausf. F
      • Gun 7,5 cm KwK 42 L/70
        • Shells Pzgr 40 L
          • Price 7 ( 5 )
      • Gun 10,5 cm KwK 42 L/28
        • Shells Pzgr 39 K
          • Price 120 ( 60 )
        • Shells Gr 39 H1A
          • Price 10 ( 7 )
          • Penetration 104/104 ( 150/150 )
        • Shells Sprgr K
          • Price 128 ( 64 )
  • German heavy tank E-100
    • Hull
      • Armor model
  • German heavy tank VK 72.01 (K)
    • Hull
      • Visual change
  • German light tank Pz.Kpfw. 35 (t)
    • Turret PzKpfw-35-(t)-Standardturm
      • Gun 3,7 cm KwK 34 (t) L/40
        • Price 1 900 ( 2 000 )
    • Turret PzKpfw-35-(t)-Verstärkterturm
      • Gun 3,7 cm KwK 34 (t) L/40
        • Price 1 900 ( 2 000 )
  • German light tank VK 28.01
    • Hull
      • Weight 13 438 ( 10 938 )
    • Turret VK 28.01 Ausf. A
      • Weight 2 800 ( 5 300 )
      • Gun 5 cm KwK 39 L/60
        • Elevation/depression +20..-8 ( +20..-10 )
      • Gun 7,5 cm KwK 37 L/24
        • Elevation/depression +20..-8 ( +20..-10 )
        • Shells Gr 38 HL A
          • Penetration 87/87 ( 100/100 )
      • Gun 7,5 cm KwK 40 L/43
        • Elevation/depression +20..-8 ( +20..-10 )
      • Gun 7,5 cm KwK 40 L/48
        • Elevation/depression +20..-8 ( +20..-10 )
    • Turret VK 28.01 Ausf. B
      • Weight 3 000 ( 5 500 )
      • Gun 5 cm KwK 39 L/60
        • Elevation/depression +20..-8 ( +20..-10 )
      • Gun 7,5 cm KwK 37 L/24
        • Elevation/depression +20..-8 ( +20..-10 )
        • Shells Gr 38 HL A
          • Penetration 87/87 ( 100/100 )
      • Gun 7,5 cm KwK 40 L/43
        • Elevation/depression +20..-8 ( +20..-10 )
      • Gun 7,5 cm KwK 40 L/48
        • Elevation/depression +20..-8 ( +20..-10 )
      • Gun 10,5 cm KwK 42 L/28
        • Elevation/depression +20..-8 ( +20..-10 )
        • Shells Pzgr 39 K
          • Price 120 ( 60 )
        • Shells Gr 39 H1A
          • Price 10 ( 7 )
          • Penetration 104/104 ( 150/150 )
        • Shells Sprgr K
          • Price 128 ( 64 )
  • German light tank Aufklärungspanzer Panther
    • Price 1 400 000 ( 1 360 000 )
    • Matchmaking weight 27 ( 32.4 )
    • Hull
      • Hitpoints 720 ( 680 )
      • Visual change
    • Turret VK 16.02 Leopard
      • Hitpoints 180 ( 170 )
      • Gun 5 cm KwK 39 L/60
        • Armor model
    • Turret VK 28.01 Ausf. B
      • Hitpoints 280 ( 270 )
      • Gun 7,5 cm KwK 41 L/58 Konisch
        • Aim time 1.7 ( 2 )
        • Shells Pzgr. 41 StK
          • Price 53 ( 106 )
      • Gun 10,5 cm KwK 42 L/28
        • Shells Pzgr 39 K
          • Price 120 ( 60 )
        • Shells Gr 39 H1A
          • Price 10 ( 7 )
          • Penetration 104/104 ( 150/150 )
        • Shells Sprgr K
          • Price 128 ( 64 )
    • Engine Maybach HL 234 TRM P30
      • Price 80 000 ( 88 000 )
  • German medium tank Pz.Kpfw. III
    • Turret PzKpfw-III-Turm Ausf. M
      • Gun 7,5 cm KwK 37 L/24
        • Shells Gr 38 HL A
          • Penetration 87/87 ( 100/100 )
  • German medium tank VK 20.01 (D)
    • Turret Pz.Kpfw. III Ausf. M
      • Gun 7,5 cm KwK 37 L/24
        • Shells Gr 38 HL A
          • Penetration 87/87 ( 100/100 )
  • German medium tank Pz.Kpfw. IV
    • Turret Pz.Kpfw. IV Ausf. G
      • Gun 7,5 cm KwK 37 L/24
        • Shells Gr 38 HL A
          • Penetration 87/87 ( 100/100 )
    • Turret Pz.Kpfw. IV Ausf. H
      • Gun 7,5 cm KwK 37 L/24
        • Shells Gr 38 HL A
          • Penetration 87/87 ( 100/100 )
      • Gun 10,5 cm KwK 42 L/28
        • Shells Pzgr 39 K
          • Price 120 ( 60 )
        • Shells Gr 39 H1A
          • Price 10 ( 7 )
          • Penetration 104/104 ( 150/150 )
        • Shells Sprgr K
          • Price 128 ( 64 )
  • German medium tank VK 30.01 (H)
    • Turret VK-3001-(H)-Standardturm
      • Gun 10,5 cm KwK 42 L/28
        • Shells Pzgr 39 K
          • Price 120 ( 60 )
        • Shells Gr 39 H1A
          • Price 10 ( 7 )
          • Penetration 104/104 ( 150/150 )
        • Shells Sprgr K
          • Price 128 ( 64 )
    • Turret VK-3001-(H)-Großturm
      • Gun 7,5 cm KwK 42 L/70
        • Shells Pzgr 40 L
          • Price 7 ( 5 )
      • Gun 10,5 cm KwK 42 L/28
        • Shells Pzgr 39 K
          • Price 120 ( 60 )
        • Shells Gr 39 H1A
          • Price 10 ( 7 )
          • Penetration 104/104 ( 150/150 )
        • Shells Sprgr K
          • Price 128 ( 64 )
  • German medium tank VK 30.01 (P)
    • Turret VK-3001-(P)-Porsche-Turm
      • Gun 7,5 cm KwK 42 L/70
        • Shells Pzgr 40 L
          • Price 7 ( 5 )
      • Gun 10,5 cm KwK 42 L/28
        • Shells Pzgr 39 K
          • Price 120 ( 60 )
        • Shells Gr 39 H1A
          • Price 10 ( 7 )
          • Penetration 104/104 ( 150/150 )
        • Shells Sprgr K
          • Price 128 ( 64 )
  • German medium tank VK 30.01 (D)
    • Hull
      • Visual change
    • Suspension VK 30.01 (D)
      • Price 10 250 ( 9 250 )
      • Visual change
    • Suspension VK 30.01 (D) verstärkteketten
      • Price 16 900 ( 14 500 )
      • Visual change
    • Turret VK 30.01 (D)
      • Gun 7,5 cm KwK 42 L/70
        • Shells Pzgr 40 L
          • Price 7 ( 5 )
  • German medium tank VK 36.01 (H)
    • Turret VK-3601-(H)-Standardturm
      • Gun 7,5 cm KwK 41 L/58 Konisch
        • Shells Pzgr. 41 StK
          • Price 53 ( 106 )
      • Gun 10,5 cm KwK 42 L/28
        • Shells Pzgr 39 K
          • Price 120 ( 60 )
        • Shells Gr 39 H1A
          • Price 10 ( 7 )
          • Penetration 104/104 ( 150/150 )
        • Shells Sprgr K
          • Price 128 ( 64 )
    • Turret VK-3601-(H)-Großturm
      • Gun 7,5 cm KwK 41 L/58 Konisch
        • Shells Pzgr. 41 StK
          • Price 53 ( 106 )
      • Gun 7,5 cm KwK 42 L/70
        • Shells Pzgr 40 L
          • Price 7 ( 5 )
      • Gun 10,5 cm KwK 42 L/28
        • Shells Pzgr 39 K
          • Price 120 ( 60 )
        • Shells Gr 39 H1A
          • Price 10 ( 7 )
          • Penetration 104/104 ( 150/150 )
        • Shells Sprgr K
          • Price 128 ( 64 )
  • German medium tank Pz.Kpfw. IV Schmalturm
    • Turret PzKpfw-IV-Schmalturm
      • Gun 7,5 cm KwK 44/1 L/70
        • Shells Pzgr 40 L
          • Price 7 ( 5 )
  • German medium tank Pz.Kpfw. V Panther
    • Hull
      • Visual change
    • Turret PzKpfw-V-Turm Ausf. G
      • Gun 7,5 cm KwK 42 L/70
        • Shells Pzgr 40 L
          • Price 7 ( 5 )
      • Gun 10,5 cm KwK 42 L/28
        • Shells Pzgr 39 K
          • Price 120 ( 60 )
        • Shells Gr 39 H1A
          • Price 10 ( 7 )
          • Penetration 104/104 ( 150/150 )
        • Shells Sprgr K
          • Price 128 ( 64 )
    • Turret PzKpfw-V-Schmalturm
      • Gun 7,5 cm KwK 42 L/70
        • Shells Pzgr 40 L
          • Price 7 ( 5 )
      • Gun 10,5 cm KwK 42 L/28
        • Shells Pzgr 39 K
          • Price 120 ( 60 )
        • Shells Gr 39 H1A
          • Price 10 ( 7 )
          • Penetration 104/104 ( 150/150 )
        • Shells Sprgr K
          • Price 128 ( 64 )
      • Gun 7,5 cm KwK 45 L/100
        • Shells Pzgr 40 L
          • Price 7 ( 5 )
  • German medium tank VK 30.02 (D)
    • Matchmaking weight 27 ( 32.4 )
    • Turret VK 30.02 (D)
      • Gun 7,5 cm KwK 42 L/70
        • Shells Pzgr 40 L
          • Price 7 ( 5 )
    • Turret VK 30.02 (D) Schmalturm
      • Gun 7,5 cm KwK 42 L/70
        • Shells Pzgr 40 L
          • Price 7 ( 5 )
      • Gun 10,5 cm KwK 42 L/28
        • Shells Pzgr 39 K
          • Price 120 ( 60 )
        • Shells Gr 39 H1A
          • Price 10 ( 7 )
          • Penetration 104/104 ( 150/150 )
        • Shells Sprgr K
          • Price 128 ( 64 )
  • German medium tank Panther/M10
    • Turret PzKpfw-V-Turm Ausf. G
      • Gun 7,5 cm KwK 42 L/70
        • Shells Pzgr 40 L
          • Price 7 ( 5 )
  • German medium tank Indien-Panzer
    • Matchmaking weight 40 ( 48 )
    • Hull
      • Armor model
  • German medium tank Panther II
    • Turret Panther-II-Turm Ausf. A
      • Gun 7,5 cm KwK 42 L/70
        • Shells Pzgr 40 L
          • Price 7 ( 5 )
      • Gun 7,5 cm KwK 45 L/100
        • Shells Pzgr 40 L
          • Price 7 ( 5 )
      • Gun 10,5 cm KwK 42 L/28
        • Shells Pzgr 39 K
          • Price 120 ( 60 )
        • Shells Gr 39 H1A
          • Price 10 ( 7 )
          • Penetration 104/104 ( 150/150 )
        • Shells Sprgr K
          • Price 128 ( 64 )
    • Turret Panther-II-Schmalturm
      • Gun 7,5 cm KwK 42 L/70
        • Shells Pzgr 40 L
          • Price 7 ( 5 )
      • Gun 7,5 cm KwK 45 L/100
        • Shells Pzgr 40 L
          • Price 7 ( 5 )
      • Gun 10,5 cm KwK 42 L/28
        • Shells Pzgr 39 K
          • Price 120 ( 60 )
        • Shells Gr 39 H1A
          • Price 10 ( 7 )
          • Penetration 104/104 ( 150/150 )
        • Shells Sprgr K
          • Price 128 ( 64 )
  • German medium tank E-50
    • Turret E-50-Turm Ausf. A
      • Gun 7,5 cm KwK 42 L/70
        • Shells Pzgr 40 L
          • Price 7 ( 5 )
      • Gun 7,5 cm KwK 45 L/100
        • Shells Pzgr 40 L
          • Price 7 ( 5 )
    • Turret E-50-Turm Ausf. F
      • Gun 7,5 cm KwK 42 L/70
        • Shells Pzgr 40 L
          • Price 7 ( 5 )
      • Gun 7,5 cm KwK 45 L/100
        • Shells Pzgr 40 L
          • Price 7 ( 5 )
  • German medium tank Leopard prototyp A
    • Matchmaking weight 60 ( 72 )
    • Hull
      • Visual change
      • Armor model
    • Suspension Leopard prototyp A1
      • Armor model
    • Suspension Leopard prototyp A1
      • Armor model
    • Turret Leopard prototyp A2
      • Visual change
      • Armor model
      • Gun _105mm_L7A1
        • Shells HEAT-T T384E4
          • Penetration 330/330 ( 350/350 )
    • Turret Porsche Standardpanzer
      • Visual change
      • Armor model
      • Gun _105mm_L7A1
        • Shells HEAT-T T384E4
          • Penetration 330/330 ( 350/350 )
  • German medium tank E-50 Ausf. M
    • Turret E-50M-Turm Ausf. F
      • Gun 10,5 cm KwK 45 L/52 Ausf. K
        • Shells Gr 39 H1A K
          • Penetration 330/330 ( 350/350 )
  • German medium tank Leopard 1
    • Matchmaking weight 100 ( 120 )
    • Turret Leopard 1
      • Gun 10,5 cm Bordkanone L7A3
        • Shells HEAT-T T384E4
          • Penetration 330/330 ( 350/350 )
United States
  • American tank destroyer T18
    • Turret T18T47
      • Gun 37 mm AT Gun M3
        • Shells AP M74
          • Price 18 ( 35 )
        • Shells HE M63
          • Price 10 ( 35 )
      • Gun 75 mm Howitzer M1A1
        • Shells HEAT M66
          • Penetration 91.4/91.4 ( 100/100 )
    • Engine Continental W-670
      • Horsepower 262 ( 268 )
  • American tank destroyer T82
    • Suspension T82T55E2
      • Price 1 850 ( 740 )
    • Suspension T82T55E4
      • Price 740 ( 1 850 )
    • Turret T82T47
      • Gun 75 mm Howitzer M1A1
        • Shells HEAT M66
          • Penetration 91.4/91.4 ( 100/100 )
      • Gun 105 mm AT Howitzer M3
        • Shells HE M1
          • Price 166 ( 83 )
        • Shells HEAT M67
          • Price 14 ( 7 )
          • Penetration 101.6/101.6 ( 150/150 )
    • Engine Continental W-670
      • Horsepower 262 ( 268 )
  • American tank destroyer M8A1
    • Turret M8A1
      • Gun 75 mm AT Howitzer M3
        • Shells HEAT M66
          • Penetration 91.4/91.4 ( 100/100 )
    • Turret T87
      • Gun 75 mm AT Howitzer M3
        • Shells HEAT M66
          • Penetration 91.4/91.4 ( 100/100 )
  • American tank destroyer T40
    • Turret T40
      • Gun 75 mm Howitzer M1A1
        • Shells HEAT M66
          • Penetration 91.4/91.4 ( 100/100 )
      • Gun 76 mm AT Gun M1918
        • Shells HE M42B1
          • Price 38 ( 19 )
      • Gun 105 mm AT Howitzer M3
        • Shells HE M1
          • Price 166 ( 83 )
        • Shells HEAT M67
          • Price 14 ( 7 )
          • Penetration 101.6/101.6 ( 150/150 )
  • American tank destroyer M10 Wolverine
    • Turret M10T72
      • Gun 105 mm AT SPH M4 L/23
        • Shells HE M1
          • Price 166 ( 83 )
        • Shells HEAT M67
          • Price 14 ( 7 )
          • Penetration 101.6/101.6 ( 150/150 )
    • Turret M10T72M1
      • Gun 105 mm AT SPH M4 L/23
        • Shells HE M1
          • Price 166 ( 83 )
        • Shells HEAT M67
          • Price 14 ( 7 )
          • Penetration 101.6/101.6 ( 150/150 )
    • Engine Wright Continental R-975C1
      • Horsepower 400 ( 380 )
      • Weight 516 ( 549 )
  • American tank destroyer T49
    • Engine Wright Continental R-975C4
      • Weight 550 ( 549 )
  • American tank destroyer M18 Hellcat
    • Suspension M18 T67
      • Visual change
    • Suspension M18 T69
      • Visual change
    • Turret M18 M1
      • Gun 90 mm AT Gun M3
        • Shells HVAP M304
          • Price 11 ( 10 )
    • Engine Wright Continental R-975C1
      • Horsepower 400 ( 380 )
      • Weight 516 ( 549 )
    • Engine Wright Continental R-975C4
      • Weight 550 ( 549 )
  • American tank destroyer M36 Jackson
    • Turret M36T74
      • Gun 90 mm AT Gun M3
        • Shells HVAP M304
          • Price 11 ( 10 )
    • Turret M36T78
      • Gun 90 mm AT Gun M3
        • Shells HVAP M304
          • Price 11 ( 10 )
    • Engine Wright Continental R-975C1
      • Horsepower 400 ( 380 )
      • Weight 516 ( 549 )
  • American tank destroyer T25/2
    • Suspension T25/2T4
      • Tier 7 ( 8 )
      • Price 19 200 ( 32 720 )
    • Turret T25/2T3
      • Gun 90 mm AT Gun M3
        • Shells HVAP M304
          • Price 11 ( 10 )
    • Turret T25/2T7
      • Gun 90 mm AT Gun M3
        • Shells HVAP M304
          • Price 11 ( 10 )
      • Gun 90 mm AT Gun T15E2
        • Shells HVAP M304
          • Price 11 ( 10 )
  • American tank destroyer T25 AT
    • Turret T25M1
      • Gun 90 mm AT Gun M3
        • Shells HVAP M304
          • Price 11 ( 10 )
      • Gun 90 mm AT Gun T15E2
        • Shells HVAP M304
          • Price 11 ( 10 )
  • American tank destroyer T28
    • Turret T28
      • Gun 90 mm AT Gun T15E2
        • Shells HVAP M304
          • Price 11 ( 10 )
  • American tank destroyer T28 Prototype
    • Turret T28P D1
      • Gun 90 mm AT Gun T15E2
        • Shells HVAP M304
          • Price 11 ( 10 )
  • American heavy tank M6
    • Turret M6D2
      • Gun 90 mm Gun M3
        • Shells HVAP M304
          • Price 11 ( 10 )
  • American heavy tank T29
    • Turret T123
      • Gun 90 mm Gun M3
        • Shells HVAP M304
          • Price 11 ( 10 )
    • Turret T136
      • Gun 90 mm Gun M3
        • Shells HVAP M304
          • Price 11 ( 10 )
  • American heavy tank T32
    • Turret T99E2
      • Gun 90 mm Gun T15E2
        • Shells HVAP M304
          • Price 11 ( 10 )
    • Turret T119
      • Gun 90 mm Gun T15E2
        • Shells HVAP M304
          • Price 11 ( 10 )
  • American heavy tank M103
    • Turret M89
      • Gun 120 mm Gun T122
        • Shells HEAT-T M469
    • Turret T140
      • Gun 120 mm Gun T122
        • Shells HEAT-T M469
      • Gun 120 mm Gun M58
        • Shells AP-T M358
        • Shells HEAT-T M469
  • American heavy tank T110E5
    • Turret T53
      • Gun 120 mm Gun M58
        • Shells AP-T M358
          • Penetration 258/238 ( 269/248 )
        • Shells HEAT-T M469
          • Penetration 340/340 ( 381/381 )
  • American heavy tank T57 Heavy Tank
    • Turret T169
      • Gun 120 mm Gun T179
        • Shells AP-T M358
          • Penetration 258/238 ( 269/248 )
        • Shells HEAT-T M469
          • Penetration 340/340 ( 381/381 )
  • American light tank T1 Cunningham
    • Turret Cunningham D1
      • Gun 37 mm Gun M1916
        • Shells APCBC 1935
          • Price 2 ( 1 )
      • Gun 37 mm Semiautomatic Gun M1924
        • Shells APCBC 1935
          • Price 2 ( 1 )
    • Turret Cunningham D2
      • Gun 37 mm Gun M1916
        • Shells APCBC 1935
          • Price 2 ( 1 )
      • Gun 37 mm Semiautomatic Gun M1924
        • Shells APCBC 1935
          • Price 2 ( 1 )
      • Gun 37 mm Browning Semiautomatic Gun
        • Shells APCBC 1935
          • Price 2 ( 1 )
      • Gun 20 mm Hispano-Suiza Birgikt Gun
        • Shells AP
          • Price 3 ( 2 )
  • American light tank M2 Light Tank
    • Turret M2D27810
      • Gun 20 mm Hispano-Suiza Birgikt Gun
        • Shells AP
          • Price 3 ( 2 )
    • Turret M2D27812
      • Gun 20 mm Hispano-Suiza Birgikt Gun
        • Shells AP
          • Price 3 ( 2 )
      • Gun 37 mm Gun M5
        • Shells AP M74
          • Price 18 ( 35 )
        • Shells HE M63
          • Price 10 ( 35 )
  • American light tank T2 Light Tank
    • Turret T2D1
      • Gun 20 mm Hispano Suiza Birgikt Gun M1
        • Shells AP
          • Price 3 ( 2 )
  • American light tank T1E6
    • Turret T1
      • Gun 37 mm Semiautomatic Gun M1924A1
        • Shells APCBC 1935
          • Price 2 ( 1 )
  • American light tank M3 Stuart
    • Turret D37812
      • Gun 20 mm Hispano-Suiza Birgikt Gun
        • Shells AP
          • Price 3 ( 2 )
      • Gun 37 mm Gun M5
        • Shells AP M74
          • Price 18 ( 35 )
        • Shells HE M63
          • Price 10 ( 35 )
    • Turret D39273
      • Gun 20 mm Hispano-Suiza Birgikt Gun
        • Shells AP
          • Price 3 ( 2 )
      • Gun 37 mm Gun M5
        • Shells AP M74
          • Price 18 ( 35 )
        • Shells HE M63
          • Price 10 ( 35 )
      • Gun 37 mm Gun M6
        • Shells AP M74
          • Price 18 ( 35 )
        • Shells HE M63
          • Price 10 ( 35 )
    • Engine Continental W-670
      • Horsepower 262 ( 268 )
  • American light tank M22 Locust
    • Turret M22D1
      • Gun 37 mm Gun M6
        • Shells AP M74
          • Price 18 ( 35 )
        • Shells HE M63
          • Price 10 ( 35 )
  • American light tank M5 Stuart
    • Turret M5A1
      • Gun 20 mm Hispano-Suiza Birgikt Gun
        • Shells AP
          • Price 3 ( 2 )
      • Gun 37 mm Gun M6
        • Shells AP M74
          • Price 18 ( 35 )
        • Shells HE M63
          • Price 10 ( 35 )
    • Turret M8
      • Gun 20 mm Hispano-Suiza Birgikt Gun
        • Shells AP
      • Gun 37 mm Gun M6
        • Shells AP M74
        • Shells HE M63
      • Gun 75 mm Howitzer M3
        • Shells HEAT M66
  • American light tank M24 Chaffee
    • Engine Wright Continental R-975C1
      • Horsepower 400 ( 380 )
      • Weight 516 ( 549 )
  • American medium tank T2 Medium Tank
    • Turret T2T1
      • Gun 37 mm Semiautomatic Gun M1924
        • Shells APCBC 1935
          • Price 2 ( 1 )
      • Gun 37 mm Browning Semiautomatic Gun
        • Shells APCBC 1935
          • Price 2 ( 1 )
      • Gun 20 mm Hispano-Suiza Birgikt Gun
        • Shells AP
          • Price 3 ( 2 )
    • Turret T2T2
      • Gun 37 mm Semiautomatic Gun M1924
        • Shells APCBC 1935
          • Price 2 ( 1 )
      • Gun 37 mm Browning Semiautomatic Gun
        • Shells APCBC 1935
          • Price 2 ( 1 )
      • Gun 37 mm Gun M5
        • Shells AP M74
          • Price 18 ( 35 )
        • Shells HE M63
          • Price 10 ( 35 )
      • Gun 20 mm Hispano-Suiza Birgikt Gun
        • Shells AP
          • Price 3 ( 2 )
  • American medium tank M2 Medium Tank
    • Turret M2M19
      • Gun 37 mm Gun M5
        • Shells AP M74
          • Price 18 ( 35 )
        • Shells HE M63
          • Price 10 ( 35 )
      • Gun 37 mm Gun M6
        • Shells AP M74
          • Price 18 ( 35 )
        • Shells HE M63
          • Price 10 ( 35 )
    • Turret M2M7
      • Gun 37 mm Gun M5
        • Shells AP M74
          • Price 18 ( 35 )
        • Shells HE M63
          • Price 10 ( 35 )
      • Gun 37 mm Gun M6
        • Shells AP M74
          • Price 18 ( 35 )
        • Shells HE M63
          • Price 10 ( 35 )
      • Gun 75 mm Howitzer M3
        • Shells HEAT M66
          • Penetration 91.4/91.4 ( 100/100 )
  • American medium tank M4 Sherman
    • Turret D51066
      • Gun 105 mm SPH M4 L/23
        • Shells HE M1
          • Price 166 ( 83 )
        • Shells HEAT M67
          • Price 14 ( 7 )
          • Penetration 101.6/101.6 ( 150/150 )
    • Turret D51072
      • Gun 105 mm SPH M4 L/23
        • Shells HE M1
          • Price 166 ( 83 )
        • Shells HEAT M67
          • Price 14 ( 7 )
          • Penetration 101.6/101.6 ( 150/150 )
    • Engine Wright Continental R-975C1
      • Horsepower 400 ( 380 )
      • Weight 516 ( 549 )
    • Engine Wright Continental R-975C4
      • Weight 550 ( 549 )
  • American medium tank M7
    • Turret M24A1
      • Gun 37 mm Gun M6
        • Shells AP M74
          • Price 18 ( 35 )
        • Shells HE M63
          • Price 10 ( 35 )
    • Turret M47
      • Gun 37 mm Gun M6
        • Shells AP M74
          • Price 18 ( 35 )
        • Shells HE M63
          • Price 10 ( 35 )
    • Engine Wright Continental R-975C1
      • Horsepower 400 ( 380 )
      • Weight 516 ( 549 )
    • Engine Wright Continental R-975C4
      • Weight 550 ( 549 )
  • American medium tank M4A2E4 Sherman
    • Turret M4A2E4D51066
      • Gun 75 mm Gun M3 L/37
        • Elevation/depression +20..-5 ( +25..-5 )
  • American medium tank M4A3E8 Sherman
    • Turret D51072
      • Gun 105 mm SPH M4 L/23
        • Shells HE M1
          • Price 166 ( 83 )
        • Shells HEAT M67
          • Price 14 ( 7 )
          • Penetration 101.6/101.6 ( 150/150 )
    • Turret D51080
      • Gun 105 mm SPH M4 L/23
        • Shells HE M1
          • Price 166 ( 83 )
        • Shells HEAT M67
          • Price 14 ( 7 )
          • Penetration 101.6/101.6 ( 150/150 )
    • Engine Wright Continental R-975C1
      • Horsepower 400 ( 380 )
      • Weight 516 ( 549 )
    • Engine Wright Continental R-975C4
      • Weight 550 ( 549 )
  • American medium tank M4A3E2 Sherman Jumbo
    • Turret M4A2E2T110
      • Gun 105 mm SPH M4 L/23
        • Shells HE M1
          • Price 166 ( 83 )
        • Shells HEAT M67
          • Price 14 ( 7 )
          • Penetration 101.6/101.6 ( 150/150 )
    • Turret M4A2E2D51080
      • Gun 105 mm SPH M4 L/23
        • Shells HE M1
          • Price 166 ( 83 )
        • Shells HEAT M67
          • Price 14 ( 7 )
          • Penetration 101.6/101.6 ( 150/150 )
    • Engine Wright Continental R-975C1
      • Horsepower 400 ( 380 )
      • Weight 516 ( 549 )
    • Engine Wright Continental R-975C4
      • Weight 550 ( 549 )
  • American medium tank T20
    • Turret T20D2
      • Gun 105 mm SPH M4 L/23
        • Shells HE M1
          • Price 166 ( 83 )
        • Shells HEAT M67
          • Price 14 ( 7 )
          • Penetration 101.6/101.6 ( 150/150 )
      • Gun 90 mm Gun M3
        • Shells HVAP M304
          • Price 11 ( 10 )
  • American medium tank M26 Pershing
    • Turret M26M67
      • Gun 90 mm Gun M3
        • Shells HVAP M304
          • Price 11 ( 10 )
      • Gun 90 mm Gun T15E2M2
        • Shells HVAP M304
          • Price 11 ( 10 )
    • Turret M26M71
      • Gun 90 mm Gun M3
        • Shells HVAP M304
          • Price 11 ( 10 )
      • Gun 90 mm Gun T15E2M2
        • Shells HVAP M304
          • Price 11 ( 10 )
      • Gun 105 mm SPH M4 L/23
        • Shells HE M1
          • Price 166 ( 83 )
        • Shells HEAT M67
          • Price 14 ( 7 )
          • Penetration 101.6/101.6 ( 150/150 )
  • American medium tank T69
    • Suspension T84E1
      • Load capacity 34 560 ( 34 550 )
    • Engine Wright Continental R-975C4
      • Weight 550 ( 549 )
    • Engine Continental AOSI-895-5
      • Horsepower 550 ( 600 )
  • American medium tank T26E4 SuperPershing
    • Turret T26E4
      • Gun 90 mm Gun T15E1
        • Armor model
        • Shells HVAP M304
          • Price 11 ( 10 )
  • American medium tank M46 Patton
    • Turret M46M73
      • Gun 90 mm Gun M3
        • Shells HVAP M304
          • Price 11 ( 10 )
      • Gun 90 mm Gun M36
        • Shells HVAP M304
          • Price 11 ( 10 )
      • Gun 90 mm Gun T15E2M2
        • Shells HVAP M304
          • Price 11 ( 10 )
    • Turret M46T119
      • Gun 90 mm Gun M3
        • Shells HVAP M304
          • Price 11 ( 10 )
      • Gun 90 mm Gun M36
        • Shells HVAP M304
          • Price 11 ( 10 )
      • Gun 90 mm Gun T15E2M2
        • Shells HVAP M304
          • Price 11 ( 10 )
      • Gun 105 mm SPH M4 L/23
        • Shells HE M1
          • Price 166 ( 83 )
        • Shells HEAT M67
          • Price 14 ( 7 )
          • Penetration 101.6/101.6 ( 150/150 )
  • American medium tank M48A1 Patton
    • Hull
      • Weight 27 098 ( 27 700 )
    • Turret M87
      • Armor model
      • Gun 90 mm Gun M41
      • Gun 105 mm Gun M68
    • Engine Continental AV-1790-7B
      • Weight 1 171 ( 569 )
  • American medium tank M60
    • Matchmaking weight 100 ( 120 )
    • Turret M60
      • Gun 105 mm Gun M68
        • Shells HEAT-T T384E4
          • Price 12 ( 10 )
          • Penetration 330/330 ( 350/350 )
France
  • French tank destroyer Somua SAu-40
    • Turret Somua Sau 40
      • Gun 75 mm APX 1897
        • Shells OCO Mle. 1926
          • Penetration 91.4/91.4 ( 100/100 )
      • Gun C. de 105 court mle 1934S AC
        • Shells OE mle. 1920
          • Price 128 ( 64 )
        • Shells OCO mle. 1936
          • Price 10 ( 7 )
          • Penetration 104/104 ( 150/150 )
  • French tank destroyer S-35 CA
    • Turret S 35 CA
      • Gun 90 mm canon DCA 30 AC
        • Shells _90mm_FrtPrf1944
          • Price 12 ( 10 )
  • French tank destroyer ARL V39
    • Turret ARL V39
      • Gun 75 mm APX 1897
        • Shells OCO Mle. 1926
          • Penetration 91.4/91.4 ( 100/100 )
      • Gun 90 mm canon DCA 30 AC
        • Shells _90mm_FrtPrf1944
          • Price 12 ( 10 )
      • Gun 90 mm DCA 45 AC
        • Shells _90mm_FrtPrf1944
          • Price 12 ( 10 )
  • French tank destroyer AMX AC Mle. 1946
    • Turret Schneider 44B
      • Gun 90 mm canon DCA 30 AC
        • Shells _90mm_FrtPrf1944
          • Price 12 ( 10 )
      • Gun 90 mm DCA 45 AC
        • Shells _90mm_FrtPrf1944
          • Price 12 ( 10 )
  • French tank destroyer AMX AC Mle. 1948
    • Turret AMX AC Mle1948
      • Gun 90 mm DCA 45 AC
        • Shells _90mm_FrtPrf1944
          • Price 12 ( 10 )
      • Gun 120 mm SA 46 AC
        • Shells Prf. 1943
          • Penetration 257/237 ( 267/245 )
        • Shells Frt.Prf. 1945
          • Penetration 325/297 ( 351/321 )
  • French tank destroyer AMX 50 Foch
    • Turret AMX 50 Foch
      • Gun 120 mm SA 46 AC
        • Shells Prf. 1943
          • Penetration 257/237 ( 267/245 )
        • Shells Frt.Prf. 1945
          • Penetration 325/297 ( 351/321 )
  • French heavy tank BDR G1B
    • Turret FCMF4
      • Gun 75 mm SA32
        • Shells OCO Mle. 1926
          • Penetration 91.4/91.4 ( 100/100 )
    • Turret ARL-3
      • Gun 75 mm SA32
        • Shells OCO Mle. 1926
          • Penetration 91.4/91.4 ( 100/100 )
      • Gun 90 mm DCA 30
        • Shells _90mm_FrtPrf1944
          • Price 12 ( 10 )
  • French heavy tank ARL 44
    • Hull
      • Visual change
    • Turret ARL 44 expérimentale
      • Gun 90 mm DCA 30
        • Shells _90mm_FrtPrf1944
          • Price 12 ( 10 )
    • Turret ARL 44 nouvelle
      • Gun 90 mm DCA 30
        • Shells _90mm_FrtPrf1944
          • Price 12 ( 10 )
      • Gun 90 mm F3
        • Shells _90mm_FrtPrf1944
          • Price 12 ( 10 )
      • Gun 90 mm DCA 45
        • Shells _90mm_FrtPrf1944
          • Price 12 ( 10 )
  • French heavy tank AMX M4(1945)
    • Turret Schneider 44B
      • Gun 90 mm DCA 30
        • Shells _90mm_FrtPrf1944
          • Price 12 ( 10 )
      • Gun 90 mm F3
        • Shells _90mm_FrtPrf1944
          • Price 12 ( 10 )
    • Turret AMX M4
      • Gun 90 mm DCA 30
        • Shells _90mm_FrtPrf1944
          • Price 12 ( 10 )
      • Gun 90 mm F3
        • Shells _90mm_FrtPrf1944
          • Price 12 ( 10 )
      • Gun 90 mm DCA 45
        • Shells _90mm_FrtPrf1944
          • Price 12 ( 10 )
  • French heavy tank AMX 50 100
    • Turret AMX 50 100
      • Gun 90 mm F3
        • Shells _90mm_FrtPrf1944
          • Price 12 ( 10 )
      • Gun 90 mm DCA 45
        • Shells _90mm_FrtPrf1944
          • Price 12 ( 10 )
  • French heavy tank FCM 50 t
    • Turret FCM 50 t
      • Gun 90 mm DCA 45
        • Shells _90mm_FrtPrf1944
          • Price 12 ( 10 )
  • French heavy tank AMX 50 120
    • Turret AMX 50 Tourelle C
      • Gun 90 mm DCA 45
        • Shells _90mm_FrtPrf1944
          • Price 12 ( 10 )
      • Gun 120 mm SA 46
        • Shells Prf. 1943
          • Penetration 257/237 ( 267/245 )
        • Shells Frt.Prf. 1945
          • Penetration 325/297 ( 351/321 )
  • French heavy tank AMX 50B
    • Hull
      • Visual change
      • Armor model
    • Suspension AMX 50B
      • Visual change
      • Armor model
    • Turret AMX 50B
      • Visual change
      • Armor model
      • Gun 120 mm SA 46
        • Shells Prf. 1943
          • Penetration 257/237 ( 267/245 )
        • Shells Frt.Prf. 1945
          • Penetration 325/297 ( 351/321 )
  • French light tank AMX 40
    • Turret Renault-Balland
      • Gun 75 mm SA32
        • Shells OCO Mle. 1926
          • Penetration 91.4/91.4 ( 100/100 )
  • French light tank ELC AMX
    • Turret ELC AMX
      • Gun 75 mm SA32
        • Shells OCO Mle. 1926
          • Penetration 91.4/91.4 ( 100/100 )
      • Gun 90 mm D 914
        • Shells _90mm_FrtPrf1944
          • Price 12 ( 10 )
  • French light tank AMX 13 90
    • Turret FL12
      • Gun 90 mm F3
        • Shells _90mm_FrtPrf1944
          • Price 12 ( 10 )
  • French medium tank Lorraine 40 t
    • Turret Lorraine 40 t
      • Gun 90 mm F3
        • Shells _90mm_FrtPrf1944
          • Price 12 ( 10 )
  • French medium tank Bat Chatillon 25 t
    • Hull
      • Weight 10 674 ( 10 000 )
    • Turret Bat Chatillon 25 t Tourelle A
      • Gun 90 mm F3
        • Shells _90mm_FrtPrf1944
          • Price 12 ( 10 )
      • Gun 105 mm CN 105/57
        • Shells OCC-105-F1
          • Penetration 330/330 ( 360/360 )
    • Engine Hispano-Suiza HS110
      • Weight 1 426 ( 2 100 )
Britain
  • British tank destroyer Universal Carrier 2-pdr
    • Suspension Universal Carrier Mk. I
      • Visual change
    • Suspension Universal Carrier Mk. II
      • Visual change
  • British tank destroyer Tortoise
    • Turret Tortoise
      • Gun 120 mm AT Gun L1A1
        • Shells AP-T L1
          • Penetration 259/239 ( 269/248 )
        • Shells APDS L1
          • Penetration 326/298 ( 352/322 )
  • British heavy tank Churchill I
    • Turret Churchill I
      • Gun QF 2-pdr Mk. X
        • Price 3 000 ( 6 000 )
    • Turret Churchill III
      • Gun QF 2-pdr Mk. X
        • Price 3 000 ( 6 000 )
      • Gun 75 mm Vickers HV
        • Price 63 000 ( 50 000 )
  • British heavy tank Churchill VII
    • Turret Churchill IV
      • Gun 75 mm Vickers HV
        • Price 63 000 ( 50 000 )
    • Turret Churchill VII
      • Gun 75 mm Vickers HV
        • Price 63 000 ( 50 000 )
      • Gun OQF 77 mm Gun Mk. II
        • Price 50 000 ( 63 000 )
  • British heavy tank Black Prince
    • Hull
      • Hitpoints 1 160 ( 1 080 )
    • Turret Black Prince
      • Hitpoints 290 ( 370 )
      • Gun OQF 77 mm Gun Mk. II
        • Price 50 000 ( 63 000 )
      • Gun OQF 17-pdr Gun Mk. VII
        • Price 60 000 ( 70 000 )
  • British heavy tank Caernarvon
    • Turret Black Prince
      • Gun OQF 17-pdr Gun Mk. VII
        • Price 60 000 ( 70 000 )
    • Turret Centurion Mk. II
      • Gun OQF 17-pdr Gun Mk. VII
        • Price 60 000 ( 70 000 )
  • British heavy tank Conqueror
    • Turret Centurion Mk. III
      • Price 50 500 ( 42 000 )
    • Turret Conqueror Mk. II
      • Gun 120 mm Gun L1A1
        • Shells AP-T L1
          • Penetration 259/239 ( 269/248 )
        • Shells APDS L1
          • Penetration 326/298 ( 352/322 )
  • British heavy tank FV215b
    • Turret FV215
      • Gun 120 mm Gun L1A1
        • Shells AP-T L1
          • Penetration 259/239 ( 269/248 )
        • Shells APDS L1
          • Penetration 326/298 ( 352/322 )
  • British light tank Valentine
    • Turret Valentine Mk. I
      • Gun QF 2-pdr Mk. X
        • Price 3 000 ( 6 000 )
    • Turret Valentine Mk. XI
      • Gun QF 2-pdr Mk. X
        • Price 3 000 ( 6 000 )
  • British light tank Covenanter
    • Turret Covenanter Mk. I
      • Gun QF 2-pdr Mk. X
        • Price 3 000 ( 6 000 )
    • Turret Covenanter Mk. IV CS
      • Gun QF 2-pdr Mk. X
        • Price 3 000 ( 6 000 )
  • British light tank Crusader
    • Turret Crusader Mk. I
      • Gun QF 2-pdr Mk. X
        • Price 3 000 ( 6 000 )
    • Turret Crusader Mk. III
      • Gun QF 2-pdr Mk. X
        • Price 3 000 ( 6 000 )
  • British medium tank Matilda
    • Turret Matilda Mk. IIA
      • Gun QF 2-pdr Mk. X
        • Price 3 000 ( 6 000 )
    • Turret Matilda Mk. IIA*
      • Gun QF 2-pdr Mk. X
        • Price 3 000 ( 6 000 )
  • British medium tank Cromwell
    • Turret Cromwell Mk. IV
      • Gun 75 mm Vickers HV
        • Price 63 000 ( 50 000 )
  • British medium tank Comet
    • Turret Cromwell Mk. IV
      • Gun 75 mm Vickers HV
        • Price 63 000 ( 50 000 )
    • Turret Comet Mk. I
      • Gun 75 mm Vickers HV
        • Price 63 000 ( 50 000 )
      • Gun OQF 77 mm Gun Mk. II
        • Price 50 000 ( 63 000 )
  • British medium tank Centurion Mk. I
    • Turret Centurion Mk. I
      • Price 15 000 ( 20 000 )
      • Gun OQF 77 mm Gun Mk. II
        • Price 50 000 ( 63 000 )
      • Gun OQF 17-pdr Gun Mk. VII
        • Price 60 000 ( 70 000 )
    • Turret Centurion Mk. III
      • Price 32 000 ( 42 000 )
      • Gun OQF 77 mm Gun Mk. II
        • Price 50 000 ( 63 000 )
      • Gun OQF 17-pdr Gun Mk. VII
        • Price 60 000 ( 70 000 )
China
  • Chinese heavy tank IS-2
    • Turret IS-2 early
      • Gun 122 mm 37-122JT
        • Shells Po-471
          • Price 14 ( 12 )
      • Gun 122 mm D-25T
        • Shells Po-471
          • Price 14 ( 12 )
    • Turret IS-2 late
      • Gun 122 mm 37-122JT
        • Shells Po-471
          • Price 14 ( 12 )
      • Gun 122 mm D-25T
        • Shells Po-471
          • Price 14 ( 12 )
  • Chinese heavy tank 110
    • Turret 110
      • Gun 122 mm 37-122JT
        • Shells Po-471
          • Price 14 ( 12 )
      • Gun 122 mm D-25T
        • Shells Po-471
          • Price 14 ( 12 )
    • Turret T-10
      • Gun 122 mm 37-122JT
        • Shells Po-471
          • Price 14 ( 12 )
      • Gun 122 mm D-25T
        • Shells Po-471
          • Price 14 ( 12 )
  • Chinese heavy tank WZ-111
    • Price 9 500 ( 12 250 )
    • Turret WZ-111 model 2
      • Gun 122 mm D-25TA
        • Shells Po-471
          • Price 14 ( 12 )
  • Chinese heavy tank WZ-111 model 1-4
    • Turret IS-3
      • Gun 122 mm D-25T
        • Shells Po-471
          • Price 14 ( 12 )
    • Turret WZ-111
      • Gun 122 mm D-25T
        • Shells Po-471
          • Price 14 ( 12 )
  • Chinese heavy tank 113
    • Turret 113
      • Gun 122 mm 60-122T
        • Shells Chuan bei-472
          • Penetration 249/235 ( 257/240 )
        • Shells Po-122
          • Penetration 340/340 ( 400/400 )
  • Chinese light tank Renault NC-31
    • Engine Renault M26/27
      • Price 300 ( 0 )
  • Chinese medium tank T-34-2
    • Turret T-34-2 model 2
      • Gun 122 mm 37-122JT
        • Shells Po-471
          • Price 14 ( 12 )
  • Chinese medium tank WZ-120
    • Turret WZ-120-1
      • Gun 122 mm 60-122T
        • Shells Chuan bei-472
          • Penetration 249/235 ( 257/240 )
        • Shells Po-122
          • Penetration 340/340 ( 400/400 )
  • Chinese medium tank 121
    • Turret 121
      • Gun 122 mm 60-122TG
        • Shells Chuan bei-472
          • Penetration 258/244 ( 268/250 )
        • Shells Po-122
          • Penetration 340/340 ( 400/400 )

200 comments:

  1. 105MM Derp guns get 104 Pen. and Russian 122MM Derp 140?

    Russian Bias ...

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    1. Retard alert!

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    2. They lack RoF

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    3. HEAT penetration is function of two parameters. One is shell diameter and second technology. Early HEAT shells had penetration of roughly 1 to 1.5 diameter.

      So both numbers seem reasonable, the difference will be question of balance - your call what do you think about that.

      I see it as OK.

      polyarmus

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    4. The 122m at tiers 5 and 6 (where the biggest HEAT problem is) is mounted heavy tanks.

      The biggest problem with the 105mm HEAT(besides their pen and damage) was the fact that they were mounted on mobile medium tanks and had an reload time that gave them insane DPM.

      I recall few if any complaints of KV-1 HEAT Spam.

      -eNumbra

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    5. The 122mm has ALWAYS had more pen...

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    6. NAILED IT!!!!!! *RUSSIAN BIAS*

      Across the board, when everything get the nerf hammer... they go soft on the Russian tanks.

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  2. Uhm, German 105mm HEAT gets nerfed to 330mm - and Russian T-62A 100mm remains at 350mm?

    And what crap approach is this? Lowering Matchmaking Value of Tanks when they are not balanced? WTF!? -> PT A and Leo1 are not balanced..

    The Solution would be to give them a Buff in Characteristics (low Gun Dispersion on the Move, or better RoF) but lowering MM Value looks utter Garbage, sry!

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    1. They are balanced. Not OP and not UP. Pretty good nontheless.

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    2. wtf are you talking about? T62A ammo penetration also got decreased to 330mm

      All mediums got nerf to 330 for gold.. all heavies to 340 or lower

      Or heavies got -10mm to penetration value..

      and heat is finally nerfed. Thanks God for that

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    3. Ouch, yes.. my Bad! I was searching for T-62A -> Gun -> HEAT, but didn't find any info, so i was assuming it remains at 350mm pen

      But good Thing Meds and Heavies get a bit less Penetration - well actually the RNG gets less generous, what prolly raises the use of Premium Shells as an Effect.. but that is just a Thought

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    4. If you bother, scroll way, way up there again until you can see both Germany in bold and T-54, the T-62 is obviously right between them. Hope I don't have to pinpoint it to you again.

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  3. nice to see a reduction in penetration from nearly all Heavy and medium tank at t 10. thanks for doing this frank much appreciated.=)

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  4. Only good thing is Arty Accuracy nerf.. but else this Game gets worse and worse

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    1. Let me guess, 48-49% average player?

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    2. or a bot user

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    3. Or someone who actually has working brain cells unlike you guys.

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    4. Nope. Exactly like first three guys said. Just some average 48% scrub who lack brain power even for this game.

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    5. I'd say you Clairvoyants of Arty Scums are just angry that your SPG's get nerfed the shit out of them! I totally agree that the Arty Acc Nerf is overdue and finally comes now. Your comments are rather disqualifying for your own Minds, and this very clear - here should be any Opinion accepted, but you do just frustrated pubertal bashing on somebody you cant have any clue of! +1

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    6. Sayeth the guy that has 3 insults on his comment. I smell hypocrisy...

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  5. so this is the glorious way how to make heavy tanks really heavy

    nerf pene on almost all tanks and make gold shells more expensive

    wow! was expecting something more sophisticated

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    1. They went the simplest way because they are too incompetente to do it otherwise.

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    2. Your suggestions O COMPETENT NO NAME SCHOOL BOY FROM INTERNET? Can you show us some computer games YOU designed?

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  6. Damn nice, Frank. I enjoy these updates, you keep on giving out. Though it's kinda hilarious the IS-2 the Chinese Tank is going to 14g per gold round.

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  7. Many, many shell price increases, even if they're only 1 or 2 credits. Can only be good for WG. Many, many penetration nerfs and not just HEAT. Armour might become useful again.

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    1. Maybe the price there is in gold?

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    2. Not Credits, Gold !

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    3. BrokenWing is right.
      Low tier auto-cannons will have a CREDIT price increase. For example Hispano gun has 2 credit price for a shell, but it will become 3 credit. 50% increase in ammo price for those guns.

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  8. whole point is 'make everything more expensive = more people will play for premium'

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    1. Working as intended

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    2. so APs are also more expensive now? or you are just crying gold noob?

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  9. No nerf on British 3inch or 3.7inch HEATs?

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  10. A general increase in Ammo prices?

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  11. what is the "Armor model" means? finally some alloys gets more efective defense?

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    1. They just fixing collision models

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  12. At 14g per gold round even the premium account will not save you. Therefore I would see it as: make gold rounds much more expensive so people will use them less often.
    Good move. The same goes to the pen decrease.

    However, aren't the Chinese guns still better than their Soviet one?

    Thank you Frank, these changes look promising. Great to know about them.

    polyarmus

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    1. The AP penetration nerf will force noobs to buy even more gold, but the higher price in gold will make them buy for creds. WG just screwed themselves. Gold ammo for creds was just bad move they're trying to fix by these adjustments, but I don't think this is good for players nor WG. It's still pay to win anyway.

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    2. Restricting the load capacity of Premium Ammo together with the penetration nerf’s would have been a better approach. Then Players would have had to be more selective in their use! But alas Wargaming have chosen not to go that way!

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    3. even after the AP nerf, these guns still have more pene then german HT ones. so either buy more gold or l2p already?

      gold ammo is bad for gameplay as it is, but these changes make it less bad in general...

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  13. Cam seomeone explain? Is this 10g to 12g (800 cr more if bought for credits)?

    French light tank AMX 13 90
    Turret FL12
    Gun 90 mm F3
    Shells _90mm_FrtPrf1944
    Price 12 ( 10 )

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  14. LOL at gold 7,5 L70 going to cost 7 gold (2800 creds) for 194 pen and 135 dmg while OP konisch round still cost only 5 gold (2k cres) for 221 pen and 165 dmg. Seems fair (I'm not complaining, I'm totally happy, love VK36.01H with konisch).

    Also cause you weren't gaining enough money with konisch now the AP shells cost the half, 55 creds for 165 dmg and 157 pen it's hilarious.

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    1. >this

      I really don't understand this nerf of 7,5 L70 and buff of 7,5 Kon (creditwise).

      2000 credits per pop for 135 dmg of the L70 were already a bit harsh imo, 2800 is really killing it.

      But you only "really" need the +43 pen against T9.

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    2. And for shell eating tanks like IS-3 (0 dmg crit).

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    3. for the Konisch buff. they merely rolled back the nerf from patch 8.5 for prices in 8.4 it was 53 credits for the regular AP rounds, went up to 106 credits in 8.5, going back down to 53 in 8.6.

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  15. I welcome this change, I think the Gold Round penetration should be reduced slightly further however it's a good step in the right direction for Wargaming and the Community.

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    1. The price increase of gold rounds won't stop the silver-rich guys.

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    2. The problem is not really the rounds, it's the wide-spread availability by making them available for credits.

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  16. Oh noes, my precious Gold backbone !!!!

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  17. Uhm... "American medium tank M60"

    W00t?! Did I miss something?

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    1. yes you did

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    2. You are new here ain't you ?
      http://ftr-wot.blogspot.ro/2013/04/85-supertester-vehicles.html

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    3. the status of these are just speculations..seen on test server doesnt mean that those will be implemented anytime soon.

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  18. can someone help me?
    why are there two numbers of penetration value?
    for instance:

    "Gun 76 mm L-10S

    Shells BP-354
    Penetration 75/75 ( 100/100 )"
    why two times 75?

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    1. I think it's leftover from the 3dmodels export, where for some reason two same values are used. Just disregard it.

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    2. and in case of two different values? e.g.
      "French heavy tank AMX 50 120
      Turret AMX 50 Tourelle C
      ...
      Gun 120 mm SA 46
      Shells Prf. 1943
      Penetration 257/237 ( 267/245 )
      Shells Frt.Prf. 1945
      Penetration 325/297 ( 351/321 )"

      polyarmus

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    3. what about - fist number is pen at 100m, the second number is pen at distance (how far?). HEAT shells are not affected by distance traveled, while AP, APCB etc. are. Therefore, the same numbers for HEATs, differing numbers for the rest.

      Polyarmus

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    4. Penetration at 100 meters / penetration at 500 meters

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  19. Of course the French needed all these penetration nerfs because they're just so OP! :p

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  20. French heavy tank AMX 50B

    Hull
    Visual change
    Armor model
    Suspension AMX 50B
    Visual change
    Armor model
    Turret AMX 50B
    Visual change
    Armor model

    what is going to happen to it? D:

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    1. The armour can't get any worse then what it already is so I'm holding my thumbs for a buff :D

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    2. The entire tank gets noticeably smaller, armour stays the same.

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  21. Neat penetration nerf for all tanks. Especially for the high tier tanks.
    Skills will be needed to hit frontally a tank (knownledge of weak spot) like the IS7 with is 269+ mm virtual UFP .
    But, counter part, people who can afford to get gold ammo may use it more cause of the fear of the "bounce" if they aren't experienced enough to know by heart all weak point of tanks.

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    1. Maybe this will slow the power creep for just a bit. However, I see a lot of whining comming... But I'm happy with a change, they didn't nerf Maus' penetration and that is my tierX^^

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  22. 152mm Derp from KV-2 and SU/ISU pen is buffed?

    lol

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    1. HEAT on KV-2 152mm is lost and new premium AP is added.
      yeah, as for KV-2, it's a nerf

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    2. Nope only 152mm on SU-152 and ISU get buffed, no heat shells for KV-2

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    3. not really care, since 98% I always use HE

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    4. not really care, sice kv split i sell it

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  23. Still nerf hammer missed some notorious heat spammers like IS-2 or T69

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    1. I doubt list is final.

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  24. Penetration 258/250 ( 268/260 )

    In Brackets 8.5, ok, but why are there 2 numbers?

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    1. sorry for repeated post:

      what about - fist number is pen at 100m, the second number is pen at distance (how far?). HEAT shells are not affected by distance traveled, while AP, APCB etc. are. Therefore, the same numbers for HEATs, differing numbers for the rest.

      Polyarmus

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    2. no, both numbers relate to one particular type of shell

      polyarmus

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    3. Premium ammo 8mm more pen is a bit low...

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    4. They are pene at 100m and max range (720m for most guns, 360m for autocannons/MGs, 10km for arty), That's why the two values are the same for HEAT- it loses no pene at a distance. -Platypusbill

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    5. @polyarmus- haven't you realised that most of those guns have three ammo types and that those numbers are tied to a single shell? -Platypusbill

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    6. Oops, shpuldn't be reading when tired :P misinterpreted what you said in the 2nd posr. -Platypusbill

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    7. Thank you for the confirmation.

      In other words we can compare aerodynamic efficiency of different shells. Some of it is little bit surprising.

      I checked just couple of them and:
      120mm AP loses little bit less than 8% (regardless of the country/model)
      120mm APCB/APDS? (or what is that supposed to be, simply kinetic gold round) loses slightly more, around 9%.

      However this round:
      Gun 122 mm М62-S2
      Shells BR-471D
      Penetration 258/250 ( 268/260 )
      loses just 3.1%

      Do you see real life reason?

      polyarmus

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  25. Nerfing engine power of the t69 so you cant flank that much while leaving its gold ammo untouched...i see what you did there WG

    Anyway the patch looks good so far

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    1. I think it has alot to do with the fact that its regular AP rounds have underperforming penetration for its tier.

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  26. BALANCE_PREM_SHELLS_AROUND_MEANINGFUL_TACTICAL_DECISIONS. The nerfs to penetration are good, but it still doesn't change the fact that prem shells are (with some exceptions) simply better than standard ammo in 95% of cases. Balancing them by cost just gives an advantage to those who are willing to grind more and/or have premium assets, and turns the whole concept into economic management as opposed to a choice with drawbacks and limitationsnerf damage, impose a restricted capacity (repeatedly denied, unfortunately), reduce price so you roughly break even, and make the penetrztion boosts smaller and more consistent. -Platypusbill

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    1. >.< the inability to fix errors bothers me enormously.

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    2. I've got a solution, roll back the whole idea of making them available to everyone (gold only), and then less people will use them in pubs.

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  27. What does this "Armor model" exactly mean? I hope no nerf... E-100 is only playable with gold shells!

    And I didn't said anything about the other nerfs about other German tanks.


    PS.: Is KV-1S' 122 mm gun and M4's howitzer okay with one-shoting other tier V tanks?

    Hunyi

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    1. For the E-100, its armour change is a nerf to the thickness of the downward facing plate above the tracks from 90 to 30 mm. It will probably only affect arty splash damage from close misses. But it's indeed a nerf.

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    2. Errr....isn't it the other way around? From 30mm to 90mm?

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  28. German heavy tank E-100
    Hull
    Armor model

    WTF with E-100?

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    1. For some reason, the upper side hull (part above the tracks/behind the skirt) is 130mm, while the historical E-100 and the ingame JgPz E-100 have 120mm across the entire side. Guessing they are gonna fix that. -Platypusbill

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    2. its actually a buff, they are fixing one small issue.

      but nothing serious, i am too lazy to write more, sorry

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    3. Took a look in the Supertest armor model and thats axacly what happened, all side armor is now 120mm.

      BonSie

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    4. damn... and i thought they would make the lower front plate thicker or stronger in other ways... but they are NERFING the side armor so it's harder to sidescrap?

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    5. For the E-100, its armour change is a nerf to the thickness of the downward facing plate above the tracks from 90 to 30 mm. It will probably only affect arty splash damage from close misses. But it's indeed a nerf.

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    6. Heh, as it turn out, they did the exact opposite. Instead of nerfing the heavy to match the TD, they are buffing the TD to match the heavy

      The 30mm underside on the JagdE-100 isn't just about arty splash though, you could penetrate it with just about any gun with ridiculous easy by shooting it from below while it's cresting a hill.

      -Platypusbill

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  29. Hello Frank! You do a great job on this blog so keep up the good work!

    Do you have any additional info regarding the E100 and Amx 50B armour change?

    Friendly regards

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    1. For AMX50B the entire tank gets noticeably smaller, armour stays the same.

      For the E-100, its armour change is a nerf to the thickness of the downward facing plate above the tracks from 90 to 30 mm. It will probably only affect arty splash damage from close misses. But it's indeed a nerf.

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    2. tripel thx nechrom,
      rest of u retards startd reading! idiots!!!

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  30. WG destroyes the game day by day... Soon we will realise that we will be forced by WG itself to "move" to another game...Entirely!!

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    1. NUFF SAID! I AGREE 100% the most retarded fuckin company ever!

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    2. bye bye no one will miss you scrubs.

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  31. Wrong signal imo they nerved the pen from all Tier 10 heavy tank guns for AP shells , but not the med Tier 10 AP shells...

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    1. Open your eyes they nerfed tds and meds too.

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    2. They nerfed premium shells while standard shells remained the same...while heavy tanks got nerfed both standard and premium shells...so this means that medium tanks now have best guns regarding the pen values which is pretty dumb if we take into consider that mediums should flank and not stand and shootout with heavy tanks..

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  32. hmm wonder what they change on the indien panzer, I hope they fix the sides and the roof (and maybe increase the upper front a bit)

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    1. It's just a small fix (slightly bigger driver view port).

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  33. hmmm nice move.. E100 remained untouched by pen nerf.. finally WG gives some love on it :)

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    1. It is like a woman saying about his husband: "He must love me, he didn't hit me today".

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    2. I meant "her"... not "his"...

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    3. nothing wrong about gay/transsexual marriage ;)

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    4. in Gaytard EU, morgotz!! but not here in Russia

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    5. I am confident there are lots of gay people even in Russia =)

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    6. but gay marriage (what we was talking about) is in russa forbidden and wrong...

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    7. Gay marriage is in Europe (some parts of it anyway) allowed and approved. Is it perhaps time for you to emigrate to enjoy the freedom to marry the person who you love?

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    8. nope thx, i rather stay here and fuck the all over the world beloved hot russian "Bi(tch)as" ;)

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  34. Uff, finally they nerfed that OP Somua SAu-40. It was about time to do that. Now we can all take actual pleasure in playing this game, not only SAu-40 drivers.

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    1. Haha, good joke! :D

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    2. French TD-line must be the worst line currently in game. Imho the tier 5 is good but otherwise everything is crap until tier 8.

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    3. As a UE-57 player... Well said.

      Crap is a bit of an understatement. If one were to "level up" in the French TD just use free XP. But considering how bad it is I recommend staying away and using the free XP somewhere else.

      NEMO.

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  35. So now it will be much more possible to angle well armored tanks. You can even bounce this gold ammo (330 / 340 pen) if angled enough. HT may have problems with penetrating each other with normal ammo. Against gold, you can angle more, and bounce too.

    I know, this is not final, we dont know about all balance changes. But so far, considering Arty changes and HT changes... Who has gained the greatest advantage? Tank Destroyers. Arty can have much much problems with hitting them (Nerf Hammer...), HT have lower pen... Such tanks like T95 and Tortoise for example, gained HUGE advantage ;] thats considering Arty / Pen changes. And guess what, they have still very high pen (doesnt matter normal or gold shells)... ;)

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    1. You can bounce shells that would penetrate you. Ricochet is a separate concept from armor and projectiles will bounce if angle to normal is larger than 70 degrees, no matter what their penetration parameters are (unless caliber is 3x more than armor at that point).

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  36. What exactly is the "change to armour model" of the E-100? Is it a buff or a nerf?

    I thought they fixed the bug in the E-100's armour in 8.4..

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    1. We need to wait the test server

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    2. For the E-100, its armour change is a nerf to the thickness of the downward facing plate above the tracks from 90 to 30 mm. It will probably only affect arty splash damage from close misses. But it's indeed a nerf.

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    3. What makes you so sure its not actually a buff? What's your source?

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  37. Anyone capable of telling me what is the reason behind the shift of hp from turret to hull in Kv-5? O_O

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    1. or hopefully R2D2 gets lil more juice :P

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  38. Lol.

    M103 will still have 269 pen, while T110E5 will have 258??

    Smth is clearly wrong in that list

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    1. theyve probably forgotten that, because it has the same gun

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    2. Yes, this is why I am surprised.

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  39. wow, armor gets important again?

    - Zefixo[EU]

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  40. American medium tank M60

    Matchmaking weight 100 ( 120 )
    Turret M60
    Gun 105 mm Gun M68
    Shells HEAT-T T384E4
    Price 12 ( 10 )
    Penetration 330/330 ( 350/350 )

    M60...WTF?!

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    1. http://ftr-wot.blogspot.ro/2013/04/85-supertester-vehicles.html

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  41. Silente, ty vemeno jedno, smaž u T28 ty obrázky (Price 38 ( 19)). Nechal jsi tam ty původní ze supertestu GM3D, takhle se na ten web dostane mnohem víc lidí...

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  42. Ok guys I dont get something:

    1) Most of you were complaining about premium shells for credits. You say that before this change the game was better (in fact, I agree). So when premium shells were more expensive it was better.

    2) Now, a lot of you are complaining that increase in shell prices is bad/not enough/not complex solution. So, what has changed? More expensive premium shells are not good anymore? I dont understand your standpoint.

    As I see this patch:
    1) Arty: I believe there is part of story that WG havent told us yet. I will stay ready for surprise in this issue (and overall, I like the arty nerfbalancing)
    2) More expensive shells: great! Less spamming of gold shells, more people will think before using them and try harder to penetrate with AP shells (great news for my brand new SuperPershing ;))
    3) Less premium ammo penetration: great! It was needed for a long time. The frustration to play with tanks that rely on their armor (and thus are slooooow) in game where armor was loosing its sense was overwhelming.

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    1. As I said above, just think how much gained tanks like T95 or Tortoise or Maus. Despite I think Tortoise is fun coz of its gun, still it will be more fun playing slow tanks.

      This can be best patch ever for players with highly armored tanks.

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    2. that patch actually was 8.0
      you could rule everything with E-100

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    3. "2) More expensive shells: great! Less spamming of gold shells, more people will think before using them and try harder to penetrate with AP shells (great news for my brand new SuperPershing ;))"
      Most of the player community doesn't think about the difference in shell cost. The ones that do already know how to aim. This is going to frustrate the free to play tankers into either leaving or paying.

      Working as intended, comrade!

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    4. Well, I am THE mediocore player with recent WR of 50% and I do care about shell prices. The difference in AP shells price is not that significant in absolute numbers. Only gold ammo price change is significant. Still, it is not mandatory to use gold ammo.

      I hope this will change gold ammo general purpose - to use it only in necessary situations, not anytime there is possibility not to penetrate the oponing tank.

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    5. "This is going to frustrate the free to play tankers into either leaving or paying. "

      If someone cannot afford paying $10 a month for a Triple-A game (that would normally sell for $60) then they should not be wasting time playing computer games, but get a better job instead!

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    6. bullshit!!!

      10$ a month makes 120$ a year! and normely you pay one time 60$ so if you play 1 years it makes half the price for a moth... and whats when you playing it for 2 yaers?!

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    7. I cannot agree with the $10 statement.

      And still: nobody force you to pay anything. Are you not satisfied with single tank performance? Then dont play this tank.

      In fact, this is free to play game. Do you enjoy it? Good for you! Dont you? Sorry for that, for sure there is a game that will suit you much more out there.

      Still I do not see anything to be frustrating even for F2P players (and I am myself on the border between F2P a P2W. I use small amount of gold, however only for some premium tanks, camos and XP conversion. No gold consumables, no gold ammo for gold - so no direct gameplay advantages).

      This patch is in fact the best I encouter in my WoT history.

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  43. wow complete rebalence

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  44. T-54 with 330 pen is finally balanced ... -.-

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  45. I really appreciate that balancing. Love for E100 (finally!) and other well armored tanks is a good thing. Although I still wonder what the compensation for the arty nerfs will be... I still hope for significantly more and higher splash!

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  46. Still no nerf of the most overpowered tank in the game (KV-1S). When will WG wake up and remove the 122mm 5T from this insanely overpowered tank?

    Every month the tank W/R compared to player W/R is about 5% HIGHER! I've never seen a tank's W/R so high month on month compared with the W/R of the players that drive it.

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    1. KV-1S OP? With .46 accuracy, 3.4 aiming time and 1463 dpm? ROFL! For slightly experienced players it's just a XP pinata.

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    2. Maybe not XP pinata, cause even one penetrating hit from it is painful, but surely not OP :)

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    3. getting ammo racked+fuel tank blowing so easily. not to mention crappy frontal armor. Sure it's so OP

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    4. "KV-1S OP? With .46 accuracy, 3.4 aiming time and 1463 dpm? ROFL! For slightly experienced players it's just a XP pinata."
      "getting ammo racked+fuel tank blowing so easily. not to mention crappy frontal armor. Sure it's so OP"

      Because preferred play style of KV-1s is to go head on towards the enemy and trade shot for shot. [/sarcasm]

      In hands of slightly experienced player KV-1s, played as mobile yet well armoured, turreted TD, is a nightmare even for tier 8 tanks.

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    5. 'In hands of slightly experienced player KV-1s, played as mobile yet well armoured, turreted TD, is a nightmare even for tier 8 tanks.'

      Any elite tier 7+ loosing against KV-1S should leave the game or at least go back to tier 5 for some basic training.

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    6. nice argument, bro. so if they give VK3601 the 200/300 gun from JgP, it would be OK (as non-OP), because it would still be killable by 7+ tanks? oook...

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  47. I can understand them nerfing the 105 derps, but nerf the short 75 derp as well? It could hardly penetrate anything even with 100 mm HEAT rounds, but very soon it will only be 87 mm? This makes the 5 cm gun on the Pzkpfw III a more viable choice now.

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  48. Where's the nerf hammer on IS-2 and T69's HEAT ammo?

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  49. True, buff AP of T69 and nerf HEAT, its just a Gold Tank atm.. so something isn't right

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  50. LOL! Did anyone notice that? -> They did NOT nerf T10 meds SILVER shells!

    From now, T10 meds have more pen with silver ammo than heavys with silver.

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  51. im happy to see that wg finally balanced most of the tanks
    also imho theres no need to do something about german high tier heavies (well maybe a little buff on the e-100 150 gun)
    the only thing im afraid is the incrasing amount of gold spam by average players/bots when 8.6 comes out(you know people are too lazy to aim for weakspots...)
    but in general heat nerf+arty nerf+crazy pen guns nerf sounds good

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  52. It's not really a balance if a Tier IX medium tank has -10 less pen (with gold rounds) than a Tier X heavy is it?

    Meds excell at flanking so reduced pen should be expected and I say this as a medium tank driver who loves the VK3002DB :)

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  53. Awww, my poor A-32. Nerfed the HEAT penetration to only 75mm, that's only 9mm more than the AP.

    Against most armour, that means the AP is the more effective shell due to normalisation.

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    1. That'll teach you for abusing and using prem. rounds.

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  54. Have youve seen that the current T8 arty will have a MM weight of 120 (vs. current 50) after the patch?
    Here is the diagram: http://wot-news.com/uploads/img/052013/i2.png

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  55. So no T71's nerf?
    Bullshit

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  56. короче че то немцев апнули чтоли. Не особо понятно, почему у прототипа лео уменьшили балансный вес....

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  57. Dear author of the blog, if you do not link to the source of these data http://gamemodels3d.com, I will banned by you on the site.

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    1. the source of the data is:
      http://panzer-journal.ru/news/polnyj-spisok-izmenenij-texniki-v-patche-0-8-6.html

      Don't you think you get enough attention as it is?

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    2. In either case it is good to cite the sources. Wherever they may be.

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    3. *sigh* the source has been cited... look just below the heading.

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  58. ist time to quit this game really

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  59. is it just me, or Object 268 demonic gold round pen is still around?

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  60. Something I don't understand is that it appears that the 105 mm HEAT on the Pz. IV will be going from 7 gold to 10 gold while the 105 mm HEAT on the Sherman will be going from 7 gold to 14 gold. The guns play pretty much exactly the same.


    So ... keep your Pz. IV derp and get rid of your Sherman derp? There should be no difference in prices for the HEAT rounds for both tanks. I don't know why there is.

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  61. I've been reading through and I just want to confirm two things:
    -Will both of the E-100's guns be untouched (246mm pen and 235mm pen?)?
    -Will tier 10 TD pen be untouched (obj268 @ 303mm pen)?

    Thanks you!
    To add to the discussion: It will be an interesting rebalance of t10 tanks when the German E100 will only have 12mm less pen than the T110E5, yet retains the 240mm thick turret, now with only 64% chance of pen instead of 71% before.
    Even funnier is the IS7 with only 4mm of pen more than the E100.

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    1. Read again...slowly

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    2. I just did, dear anonymous.
      There is no discussion or information anywhere about the E-100 other than the minor armor changes. Tier 10 td's are not mentioned other than the su-122-54 because it shares the top gun with the is4.

      So... if there is no information, there is no harm in confirming that there have been no changes.

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    3. Sorry, su-122-54 is tier 9.

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  62. First gold rounds being available to pubs, then heat getting nerfed. All we need now is for WG to put in a proper right MM and you'll see all the "unicums" torn from their irovy towers, not being able to use all these advantages to pad their stats.

    And, arty is getting beat down, finally after all this time. Well deserved nerfs at that. Next up, remove them from the game.

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    1. Unicums' ivory towers are built on usage of minimap and situational awareness. They are made of the knowledge of all tanks, their strengths and weakness, ability to aim at moving targets and a skill of using terrain to own advantage.

      You can not buy this for credits nor gold.

      HEAT as well as any other premium ammo is available to everyone, yet only handful of players got as far as to be called unicums.

      If anything, the gap between unicums and average players will only increase as the unskilled masses will get their no-aim-skill-required_pen-all tool nerfed.

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    2. What you fail to mention is the vast majority of "unicums" are in fact the best seal clubbers.Most of them have an average tier of V.I should also mention that most of them started playing from beta in 2011 when newer players started in 2012.

      Furthermore, there are many lamer ways to get a unicum efficiency. One of the more frequent ways is for beta players to create a new account and gift themselves their tanks and crews to that new account and start their stats over as an experienced player.

      And I wont even get into those illegal mods used by them, especially the mini-map gps mod,etc.

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    3. Yes, i did notice in most of their screenshots and replays they use mini-map hacks, LoS mods, and view range mappers. Can't wait for those mods to be banned. Sure, there are some talented players who will continue to do well while in equal skilled platoons of OP tanks, but many are going to fall to the levels they call "baddies" soon enough. Lol.

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    4. since you are kinda talking about me (unicum), plz check my stats with whatever you want
      avg tier lvl 8,0+
      avg dpb: 2160+
      oh, and im playing the most OP tank of all: E-50M
      you may even find me on mwreplays.com/morgotz
      havent played the E-50M lately (grinded indien, PT A), but im sure you can watch some replays, where I spam normal ammo

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    5. Like I said, "the vast majority of unicums". You conveniently left out how many total battles you have played. I bet its likely to be 15k battles plus.

      The e50m is a great tank and its expected to do very well; I detect sarcasm in that "most op tank of all" comment.

      Anyways I salut you for not being a seal clubber but again, how many battles do you have under your belt? When I first started playing my eff rating was always below 800, now Im at 7000battles and my efficiency rating is at 1200, so it naturally goes up since everyone's 60-day efficiency rating is always 3-400points higher than their regular.

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    6. I almost forgot, what mods if any do you use morgotz?

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    7. Here are Morgotz stats so you can continue your analysis of him. To me Morgotz seems to be a very solid player.
      http://wot-news.com/index.php/stat/single/eu/morgotz

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    8. well, combined with closed beta it should be 25k+
      I became unicum last year, after I bought the M46 patton (march/april), because before that I tried to be a TD douchebag
      anyway, E-50M is a great tank, but usually considered subpar to other tier 10 meds. Not true, but it needs some heck of gameplay and mapknowledge to play it at a decent lvl.

      Mods: XVM, damage counter enabled, OTM disabled, advanced map information (who was where the last time spotted + name of tank) disabled, 445m circle/1000m square enabled (since 0.8.5)
      locastans advanced stats
      locastans damage panel version 1 (no centered module hit crap)
      vanilla crosshair with digital reload timer
      no scroll mod
      duke nukem forever voicepack

      zoom out mod is annoying me and i consider it unfair, but have no problem with it

      btw, why dont you post your name here like frank asked us to do?

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    9. btw, here are some graphs for the last year
      http://www.planetwot.com/playerStats/?name=morgotz&d=eu

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    10. I never said you weren't a good player, I'm merely trying to illustrate the fact that the more battles a player has the higher the efficiency. I play on the US server btw not the EU.

      MY stats
      Games played 7103
      Win rate 47%
      Avg Dmg Dealt 1296
      Avg Tier 8.5
      Mods used None
      Avg kill per game .70
      Efficiency 1200

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  63. I think I will buy 2000 german and 2000 US 105mm derpHE for future use...

    - Wieros (EU)

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    1. You are ready to spend 28000 gold on nerfed ammunition?

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    2. He said, HE, not HEAT...

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  64. Love it, way to go!

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  65. - ATGMs wonť be implemented

    Darn no tier X light "tank" Humvee with TOW launcher.

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